{"id":60976,"date":"2026-09-10T16:23:08","date_gmt":"2026-09-10T14:23:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.schirn.de\/schirnmag\/about-time-mit-der-choreografin-deborah-hay\/"},"modified":"2026-10-07T14:31:43","modified_gmt":"2026-10-07T12:31:43","slug":"about-time-mit-der-choreografin-deborah-hay","status":"publish","type":"magazin-artikel","link":"https:\/\/www.schirn.de\/en\/schirnmag\/about-time-mit-der-choreografin-deborah-hay\/","title":{"rendered":"About Time: With Choreographer Deborah Hay"},"content":{"rendered":"<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern ' data-pattern='ho\/header-magazin-portrait'>\n\n<div  class='div'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid mobile-margin-bottom-3 sizes-width-fill'>\n\n<div  class='row sizes-height-fill'>\n\n<div  class='col col-md-3 col-md-offset-9 col-xs-7 col-xs-offset-5'>\n\n<div  class='mobile-margin-bottom-4'  data-motion-text=\"{&quot;child&quot;:&quot;.lazy-media-inline&quot;,&quot;force&quot;:true,&quot;delay&quot;:0,&quot;speed&quot;:0.9,&quot;ease&quot;:&quot;expo.out&quot;}\">\n<div class=\"wp-block wp-block-ho-flash \" style=\"\">\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"flash-animation-data\" data-animations='[{\"id\":\"full\",\"name\":\"Full\",\"types\":[{\"name\":\"y\",\"start\":\"-5\",\"end\":\"5\"}]},{\"id\":\"in\",\"name\":\"In\",\"types\":[]},{\"id\":\"out\",\"name\":\"Out\",\"types\":[]}]' data-target=\".lazy-media-contents\" data-animationsmobile='[{\"id\":\"full\",\"name\":\"Full\",\"types\":[{\"name\":\"y\",\"start\":\"-5\",\"end\":0}]},{\"id\":\"in\",\"name\":\"In\",\"types\":[]},{\"id\":\"out\",\"name\":\"Out\",\"types\":[]}]'>\n\t\t\t\t\t<flash-animation inline-template>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"flash-animation\" :class=\"classes\" ref=\"layer\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure itemscope itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" class=\"lazy-media-inline \" role=\"group\" aria-describedby=\"media_Q7Q1bn\">\n<script type=\"application\/json\">{\n\"id\" : 58927,\n\"sizes\" : {\"medium\":{\"file\":\"Courtesy-of-Harry-Ransom-Center_-Austin_-TX-200x300.jpg\",\"width\":200,\"height\":300,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":16131},\"small\":{\"file\":\"Courtesy-of-Harry-Ransom-Center_-Austin_-TX-294x440.jpg\",\"width\":294,\"height\":440,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":30680},\"semi\":{\"file\":\"Courtesy-of-Harry-Ransom-Center_-Austin_-TX-387x580.jpg\",\"width\":387,\"height\":580,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":49541},\"original\":{\"file\":\"Courtesy-of-Harry-Ransom-Center_-Austin_-TX.jpg\",\"width\":427,\"height\":640}},\n\"alt\" : \"Portrait of a smiling older woman with gray hair, a braided ponytail, and golden earrings.\",\n\"path\" : \"https:\\\/\\\/schirn.b-cdn.net\\\/wp-content\\\/uploads\\\/2026\\\/09\\\/\",\n\"video\" : null,\n\"autoplay\" : null,\n\"youtube\" : null,\n\"youtubelabel\" : \"play\",\n\"brightness\" : 100,\n\"crop\" : {\"x\":0.5,\"y\":0.41},\n\"background\" : true,\n\"scale\" : 1,\n\"zoom\" : false,\n\"annotations\" : null}<\/script>\n<div class=\"height-container \" style=\"padding-bottom:125%; 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In September, she is guesting at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.mousonturm.de\/en\/programm\/veranstaltungen\/17178\/n-a\">Mousonturm<\/a>. We spoke with her ahead of the event.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern toggle-optional-headline' data-pattern='ho\/text-medien-bild-text-links-grosses-bild-rechts-option-headline'>\n\n<div  class='margin-bottom-7'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid cf-gutter-5 cf-side-1'>\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-12 col-md-6  mobile-margin-bottom-4'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid cf-gutter-1 cf-side-5'>\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-12'>\n\n<div  class='mobile-margin-bottom-5'>\n\n<div  class='padding-bottom-4 ho-pattern-optional-headline'>\n<h2 class='ho-sd-h3' style=\"white-space: normal;\">Lorem Ipsum<\/h2>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\t<p class='ho-sd-body'>Deborah Hay, born in 1941 in Brooklyn, is one of the decisive figures in postmodern dance in the US. In the early 1960s, she danced in the Merce Cunningham company, and a little later became a member of the Judson Dance Theater, that New York group that completely upended the rules of dance by incorporating everyday movements, chance structures, and new forms of interaction between the dancers. Hay initially developed her own work with professional dancers and later with completely inexperienced newcomers. However, she soon abandoned that approach. In 1970, she left New York and moved to Vermont, where she radically focused her choreographic practice on her own body. Since 1976 she has also lived in Austin, Texas.<br>In her solo works, she does not specify movement sequences for the dancers but gives them questions and tasks, out of which the respective performance evolves. Hay has written several books on her methods and, among others, has won the Doris Duke Artist Award.<br>Today, Deborah Hay does not wish to answer any questions relating to her much-quoted career, her innovative and, in their day, truly radical new paths in contemporary dance. Only under that condition did she agree to talk, and we therefore concentrate firmly on the here and now \u2013 which does not mean that time, and the routes it has taken, cannot play a role.<br>It is a very hot day. Deborah Hay is in Vermont, where she spends the summer months.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='col col-md-5 col-md-offset-1 col-xs-offset-2 col-xs-10'>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-ho-div\">\t<figure itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" role=\"group\" aria-describedby=\"media_3gzU3J\">\n\t\t<img\n\t\t\tsrc=\"https:\/\/www.tanzimaugust.de\/fileadmin\/_processed_\/d\/d\/csm_tia2019_deborah_hay_archiv_foto____hay16___edit04_9bdab5b467.png\"\n\t\t\tloading=\"lazy\"\n\t\t\tclass=\"external-image-class\"\n\t\t\/>\n\t<\/figure>\n\t\n\n<figcaption id=\"media_3gzU3J\">\n\t<div class=\"figcaption-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"lazy-media-image-label\">Deborah Hay<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"lazy-media-image-description\">Image via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tanzimaugust.de\/retrospektiven\/deborahhay\/\">tanzimaugust.de<\/a><\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/figcaption>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern ' data-pattern='ho\/medien-bild-zentriert'>\n\n<div  class='margin-bottom-7'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid cf-gutter-5 cf-side-5'>\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-md-6 col-md-offset-3 col-xs-10 col-xs-offset-1'>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-ho-div\">\t<figure itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" role=\"group\" aria-describedby=\"media_3gzU3J\">\n\t\t<img\n\t\t\tsrc=\"https:\/\/www.allarts.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/1963_hay_wouldtheyorwouldntthey.jpg\"\n\t\t\tloading=\"lazy\"\n\t\t\tclass=\"external-image-class\"\n\t\t\/>\n\t<\/figure>\n\t\n\n<figcaption id=\"media_3gzU3J\">\n\t<div class=\"figcaption-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"lazy-media-image-label\">Peter Moore\u2019s photograph of Alex Hay, Deborah Hay, and Yvonne Rainer performing Hay\u2019s \u201cWould They or Wouldn\u2019t They?,\u201d 1963. Performed at Concert of Dance #13, Judson Memorial Church, New York, November 20,1963.<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"lazy-media-image-description\">\u00a9 Barbara Moore\/Licensed by VAGA, New York, NY. Courtesy Paula Cooper Gallery, New York, Image via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.allarts.org\/2018\/10\/woman-of-the-week-the-choreographic-genius-of-deborah-hay-highlighted-at-moma\/\">allarts.org<\/a><\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/figcaption>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern ' data-pattern='ho\/text-magazin-interview'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid margin-bottom-7'>\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-12 col-md-6 col-md-offset-6 padding-bottom-5'>\t<p class='ho-sd-body'><strong>So, Deborah Hay, let\u2019s talk about the here and now. It\u2019s very hot at the moment, as good as everywhere in Europe and in the USA. Does weather actually play any role in your work? After all, it\u2019s very direct, physical work.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='col col-md-5 col-md-offset-7 col-xs-11 col-xs-offset-1'>\n\n<div  class='ho-tag is-primary is-small margin-bottom-3'>\t<p class='ho-tag-label'>Deborah Hay<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\t<p class='ho-sd-body'>I don\u2019t think so. But maybe politics does. Here in Vermont there\u2019s a truly healthy political atmosphere by direct comparison with Texas, where I spend the winter. To that extent, the politics of the respective place have had more influence on me than anything else, but I don\u2019t really believe that either. I still dance every day, irrespective of where I happen to be.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern ' data-pattern='ho\/text-magazin-interview'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid margin-bottom-7'>\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-12 col-md-6 col-md-offset-6 padding-bottom-5'>\t<p class='ho-sd-body'><strong>And your dancing revolves around a question which has formed in your body. At least, it was for a long time the core of your work. Since you have now posed and worked through so many questions: Is there a firm starting point now for the dancing, for the questioning, each day, or does it repeatedly change?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='col col-md-5 col-md-offset-7 col-xs-11 col-xs-offset-1'>\n\n<div  class='ho-tag is-primary is-small margin-bottom-3'>\t<p class='ho-tag-label'>Deborah Hay<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\t<p class='ho-sd-body'>Now that\u2019s a good question. Because I have now spent a good 50 years asking questions of my whole body. In order to get out of my head. They were questions that arose while I was dancing. So I used the questions to identify my own feelings. Where I am, what I need&#8230; These questions resulted from the experience of dancing. And where I am now, after over 50 years and with some 21 or 22 questions asked, I perhaps don\u2019t need these questions any longer. They are now in my body. I carry them around with me. They are simply there. Until recently, I said: I practice dance \u2013 or: Dance is my practice. Now I say: I dance. <\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern ' data-pattern='ho\/medien-bild-drei-bilder'>\n\n<div  class='margin-bottom-7'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid cf-gutter-5 cf-side-1'>\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-11 mobile-margin-bottom-5 col-md-7'>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-ho-div\">\t<figure itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" role=\"group\" aria-describedby=\"media_3gzU3J\">\n\t\t<img\n\t\t\tsrc=\"https:\/\/www.allarts.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/1963_ross_quiamangelebaboon.jpg\"\n\t\t\tloading=\"lazy\"\n\t\t\tclass=\"external-image-class\"\n\t\t\/>\n\t<\/figure>\n\t\n\n<figcaption id=\"media_3gzU3J\">\n\t<div class=\"figcaption-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"lazy-media-image-label\">Peter Moore\u2019s photograph of Charles Ross\u2019s \u201cQui a mang\u00e9 le baboon?,\u201d 1963. Performed at Concert of Dance #13, Judson Memorial Church, New York, November 20, 1963<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"lazy-media-image-description\">\u00a9 Barbara Moore\/Licensed by VAGA, New York, NY.\u00a0Courtesy\u00a0Paula Cooper Gallery, New York, Image via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.allarts.org\/2018\/09\/judson-dance-theater-exhibition-at-moma\/\">allarts.org<\/a><\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/figcaption>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='col col-md-offset-0 col-xs-offset-0 col-xs-12 col-md-5'>\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-4 col-md-8'>\n\n<div  class='margin-bottom-4 padding-top-4'>\t<figure itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" role=\"group\" aria-describedby=\"media_mJVyHD\">\n\t\t<img\n\t\t\tsrc=\"https:\/\/sightlinesmag.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/DeborahHayInShakingAwakeTheSleepingChild-1981-PhotoKenFryer-HarryRansomCenter-scaled-e1634140959124-1068x836.jpg\"\n\t\t\tloading=\"lazy\"\n\t\t\tclass=\"external-image-class\"\n\t\t\/>\n\t<\/figure>\n\t\n\n<figcaption id=\"media_mJVyHD\">\n\t<div class=\"figcaption-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"lazy-media-image-label\">Deborah Hay in \u201eShaking Awake the Sleeping Child,\u201c 1981<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"lazy-media-image-description\">Photo: Ken Fryer. Courtesy Harry Ransom Center, University of Texas at Austin, Image via <a href=\"https:\/\/sightlinesmag.org\/ransom-center-acquires-archive-of-pioneering-choreographer-deborah-hay\">sightlinesmag.org<\/a><\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/figcaption>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-6 col-xs-offset-2 col-md-11 col-md-offset-1'>\t<figure itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" role=\"group\" aria-describedby=\"media_4naqTE\">\n\t\t<img\n\t\t\tsrc=\"https:\/\/www.rauschenbergfoundation.org\/sites\/default\/files\/styles\/830x500\/public\/3-photo864.jpg?itok=l8AJgi-Y\"\n\t\t\tloading=\"lazy\"\n\t\t\tclass=\"external-image-class\"\n\t\t\/>\n\t<\/figure>\n\t\n\n<figcaption id=\"media_4naqTE\">\n\t<div class=\"figcaption-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"lazy-media-image-label\">Alex Hay, Rauschenberg, Barbara (Dilley) Lloyd, and Deborah Hay performing Debora Hay\u2019s \u201eThey Will\u201c (1963), probably at the First New York Theater Rally, New York, May 1965.<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"lazy-media-image-description\">Photo: Elisabeth Loewenstein Novick, Image via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rauschenbergfoundation.org\/artist\/oral-history\/deborah-hay\">rauschenbergfoundation.org<\/a><\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/figcaption>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern ' data-pattern='ho\/text-magazin-interview'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid margin-bottom-7'>\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-12 col-md-6 col-md-offset-6 padding-bottom-5'>\t<p class='ho-sd-body'><strong>Meaning there are basically no new questions left?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='col col-md-5 col-md-offset-7 col-xs-11 col-xs-offset-1'>\n\n<div  class='ho-tag is-primary is-small margin-bottom-3'>\t<p class='ho-tag-label'>Deborah Hay<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\t<p class='ho-sd-body'>These questions are so much a part of me. They have changed my life, they have changed my dancing. Alongside all the other parts of me \u2013 you know, going to the store at 4 p.m., doing the laundry, and so forth \u2013 my answers exist directly next to these questions of everyday life. I don\u2019t just want to ask questions, I also want to get something out of it! I want answers! And they now exist in a logical sequence that takes me from point A to B. But all of that is in my body. There are still so many unknown things for which I have to make space.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern ' data-pattern='ho\/text-magazin-interview'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid margin-bottom-7'>\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-12 col-md-6 col-md-offset-6 padding-bottom-5'>\t<p class='ho-sd-body'><strong>And should we construe creating that space as the starting point of your work?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='col col-md-5 col-md-offset-7 col-xs-11 col-xs-offset-1'>\n\n<div  class='ho-tag is-primary is-small margin-bottom-3'>\t<p class='ho-tag-label'>Deborah Hay<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\t<p class='ho-sd-body'>I\u2019m just back from Athens, where I performed a piece dating from 2010. When I was preparing things, it was all immediately there, present. In my body. I had not danced it at all in the intervening years. I removed all images and questions and simply danced it. See what I mean? It felt like a completely different piece. And yet there was this sequence of material that my body simply knew. I didn\u2019t need to think about it for one moment. My body knew what to do \u2026 I knew it. But I could now dance it from a completely different point. And that point from where I danced it was not a question, but a challenge. The challenge to remove myself from space and time. That was so liberating.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern ' data-pattern='ho\/text-magazin-interview'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid margin-bottom-7'>\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-12 col-md-6 col-md-offset-6 padding-bottom-5'>\t<p class='ho-sd-body'><strong>I can well imagine.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='col col-md-5 col-md-offset-7 col-xs-11 col-xs-offset-1'>\n\n<div  class='ho-tag is-primary is-small margin-bottom-3'>\t<p class='ho-tag-label'>Deborah Hay<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\t<p class='ho-sd-body'>And now comes the difficult part: I can\u2019t make my dances. I knew beforehand that I cannot make my dances. They are impossible to make, they demand of me that I handle everything, and I do not have the time to do everything.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern ' data-pattern='ho\/medien-bild-zwei-bilder-gross-klein'>\n\n<div  class='margin-bottom-7'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid cf-gutter-5 cf-side-1'>\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='cf-side-5 col col-md-7 col-xs-11 mobile-margin-bottom-5'>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-ho-div\">\t<figure itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" role=\"group\" aria-describedby=\"media_3gzU3J\">\n\t\t<img\n\t\t\tsrc=\"https:\/\/aefestival.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/04\/AHSG-c-Rino-Pizzi.jpg\"\n\t\t\tloading=\"lazy\"\n\t\t\tclass=\"external-image-class\"\n\t\t\/>\n\t<\/figure>\n\t\n\n<figcaption id=\"media_3gzU3J\">\n\t<div class=\"figcaption-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"lazy-media-image-label\">Deborah Hay, As Holy Sites Go<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"lazy-media-image-description\">Image via <a href=\"https:\/\/aefestival.gr\/festival_events\/point-deborah-hay\/?lang=en#iLightbox[gallery_image_1]\/8\">aefestival.gr<\/a><\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/figcaption>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-11 col-xs-offset-1 col-md-4 col-md-offset-1'>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-ho-div\">\t<figure itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" role=\"group\" aria-describedby=\"media_mJVyHD\">\n\t\t<img\n\t\t\tsrc=\"https:\/\/aefestival.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/04\/AHSG_CAPUCLA-c-Phinn-Sriployrung-7521-1.jpg\"\n\t\t\tloading=\"lazy\"\n\t\t\tclass=\"external-image-class\"\n\t\t\/>\n\t<\/figure>\n\t\n\n<figcaption id=\"media_mJVyHD\">\n\t<div class=\"figcaption-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"lazy-media-image-label\">Deborah Hay, As Holy Sites Go<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"lazy-media-image-description\">Image via <a href=\"https:\/\/aefestival.gr\/festival_events\/point-deborah-hay\/?lang=en#iLightbox[gallery_image_1]\/8\">aefestival.gr<\/a><\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/figcaption>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern ' data-pattern='ho\/text-magazin-interview'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid margin-bottom-7'>\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-12 col-md-6 col-md-offset-6 padding-bottom-5'>\t<p class='ho-sd-body'><strong>You mean realizing a particular piece always functions as feeling your way into it, but can never be achieved?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='col col-md-5 col-md-offset-7 col-xs-11 col-xs-offset-1'>\n\n<div  class='ho-tag is-primary is-small margin-bottom-3'>\t<p class='ho-tag-label'>Deborah Hay<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\t<p class='ho-sd-body'>It\u2019s not even a matter of feeling my way into it. I know that I cannot make my dances as there is no object. There is no story. There is no music for me to follow, there is no\u2026 and the heart of my work is the attention that I have been paying to my cellular body since 1970, the intelligence of the entire body, the investment in the potential of awareness. I know that I cannot make it. It is impossible. But I direct my attention to it all the same. It is important enough to me to accept it. I am optimistic enough as regards life.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern ' data-pattern='ho\/text-magazin-interview'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid margin-bottom-7'>\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-12 col-md-6 col-md-offset-6 padding-bottom-5'>\t<p class='ho-sd-body'><strong>What do you expect of the dancers you work with?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='col col-md-5 col-md-offset-7 col-xs-11 col-xs-offset-1'>\n\n<div  class='ho-tag is-primary is-small margin-bottom-3'>\t<p class='ho-tag-label'>Deborah Hay<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\t<p class='ho-sd-body'>The same willingness to play it through. I do not teach workshops in the usual sense. If I work with professional dancers, then the only ones who want to work with me are those who are willing to go to the same places I go to, with the demands I make: You will not succeed, you must give up any wish to succeed. You cannot give up the wish to want to succeed; your whole life relies on wanting to succeed. And all the same \u2026 so, once again: generating this tension of the impossible. I don\u2019t care, but I want it all the same. (laughs)<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern ' data-pattern='ho\/text-magazin-interview'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid margin-bottom-7'>\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-12 col-md-6 col-md-offset-6 padding-bottom-5'>\t<p class='ho-sd-body'><strong>On the one hand, you have very clear ideas of a piece, while on the other, you leave the interpretation to the dancers. How does that work in practice? Does that freedom stem from the openness of the individual performance?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='col col-md-5 col-md-offset-7 col-xs-11 col-xs-offset-1'>\n\n<div  class='ho-tag is-primary is-small margin-bottom-3'>\t<p class='ho-tag-label'>Deborah Hay<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\t<p class='ho-sd-body'>Openness is not a word I use. What I do when working with professional dancers is I give them tools. Tools with which to handle the impossible. \u201cIt\u2019s not a big deal!\u201d That\u2019s something I often say. Time passes. It\u2019s not a big deal, you know. I say to the dancers: Be a pig. Don\u2019t hold yourself back.<br>This space we are in, this studio, it\u2019s not empty. We wouldn\u2019t be here if it was empty. Stuff like that.<br>So I give them tools that they can focus on. 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background-position: 50% 50%; height: 100%; width: 100%;\"><\/div>\n\n\t\t<lazy-media-inline inline-template>\n\t\t<div>\n\t\t\t<lazy-media :inline=\"true\" :alt=\"alt\" :sizes=\"sizes\" :scale=\"scale\" :zoom=\"zoom\" :brightness=\"brightness\" :path=\"path\" :video=\"video\" :autoplay=\"autoplay\" :youtube=\"youtube\" :crop=\"crop\" :youtubelabel=\"youtubelabel\" :annotations=\"annotations\" :background=\"background\" v-if=\"sizes\"><\/lazy-media>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/lazy-media-inline>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n<\/figure>\n\n\t\t\n\n\n\n<div  class='video-audio-time hide-while-playing'>\t<p class='video-audio-time-label'>06:34<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern ' data-pattern='ho\/text-magazin-interview'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid margin-bottom-7'>\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-12 col-md-6 col-md-offset-6 padding-bottom-5'>\t<p class='ho-sd-body'><strong>What can you dance today that would have been impossible for you aged 40?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='col col-md-5 col-md-offset-7 col-xs-11 col-xs-offset-1'>\n\n<div  class='ho-tag is-primary is-small margin-bottom-3'>\t<p class='ho-tag-label'>Deborah Hay<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\t<p class='ho-sd-body'>Hmm. That\u2019s an amusing question. I think there are things that I can\u2019t do that I did when I was forty. Put differently: I no longer jump. I no longer run around.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern ' data-pattern='ho\/text-magazin-interview'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid margin-bottom-7'>\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-12 col-md-6 col-md-offset-6 padding-bottom-5'>\t<p class='ho-sd-body'><strong>That\u2019s exactly why I turned the question round. Because as one grows older, so one more often gets asked about the limitations than about what one can perhaps do better.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='col col-md-5 col-md-offset-7 col-xs-11 col-xs-offset-1'>\n\n<div  class='ho-tag is-primary is-small margin-bottom-3'>\t<p class='ho-tag-label'>Deborah hay<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\t<p class='ho-sd-body'>Yes, that\u2019s true. I wouldn\u2019t have had the grasp for it. I wouldn\u2019t have engaged with it. I wouldn\u2019t have engaged with it so profoundly.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern ' data-pattern='ho\/text-magazin-interview'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid margin-bottom-7'>\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-12 col-md-6 col-md-offset-6 padding-bottom-5'>\t<p class='ho-sd-body'><strong>The awareness of time, of the passage of time, seems to be at the core of your work. Has your relationship to time changed in recent years or decades?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='col col-md-5 col-md-offset-7 col-xs-11 col-xs-offset-1'>\n\n<div  class='ho-tag is-primary is-small margin-bottom-3'>\t<p class='ho-tag-label'>Deborah hay<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\t<p class='ho-sd-body'>Yes, I\u2019m getting older; I think about being at the end of my life. That\u2019s the last chapter. I think about dying much more than I did five years ago. But I don\u2019t ponder it too much; I think most older people don\u2019t \u2013 it\u2019s certainly not very healthy to constantly think about it. But at the same time, I\u2019m very open with it.<br>Has that changed my work? I don\u2019t think so.<br>My dances revolve around how I survive. I have been using this term for a while now. Because, well, as far as I can judge, the world is going to the dogs. And if I did not have dance, then \u2013 or so I believe \u2013 I would be a fairly melancholic person.<br>I mean, the way I told you about it is really the closest to my heart. But I also think that for me it\u2019s a form of politics. The focus is not on what it\u2019s about, it\u2019s not on how I dance, it\u2019s not about why I dance; it\u2019s about the fact that I dance. And for me, precisely that is the political act.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern ' data-pattern='ho\/medien-bild-zentriert'>\n\n<div  class='margin-bottom-7'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid cf-gutter-5 cf-side-5'>\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-md-6 col-md-offset-3 col-xs-10 col-xs-offset-1'>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-ho-div\">\t<figure itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" role=\"group\" aria-describedby=\"media_3gzU3J\">\n\t\t<img\n\t\t\tsrc=\"https:\/\/www.mousonturm.de\/images\/2019_06_csm_Deborah_Hay___My_Choreographed_Body_..._revisited____c__Camilla_Greenwell_2018_3b0b593edf.jpg?w=1024\"\n\t\t\tloading=\"lazy\"\n\t\t\tclass=\"external-image-class\"\n\t\t\/>\n\t<\/figure>\n\t\n\n<figcaption id=\"media_3gzU3J\">\n\t<div class=\"figcaption-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"lazy-media-image-label\">Deborah Hay in\u00a0My Choreographed Body\u2026revisited<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"lazy-media-image-description\">Photo Camilla Greenwell, Image via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.mousonturm.de\/en\/programm\/veranstaltungen\/2282\/my-choreographed-body-revisited-animals-on-the-beach\">mousonturm.de<\/a><\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/figcaption>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern ' data-pattern='ho\/text-magazin-interview'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid margin-bottom-7'>\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-12 col-md-6 col-md-offset-6 padding-bottom-5'>\t<p class='ho-sd-body'><strong>In September you\u2019ll be guesting at the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.mousonturm.de\/en\/programm\/veranstaltungen\/17178\/n-a\">Mousonturm<\/a> in Frankfurt. \u201cPerformance Club \u2013 The Lesser Told Story\u201d lasts exactly one hour. You dance for 20 minutes and the rest of the time your audience is invited to spend the time silently as they want. Does it still surprise you to see what the audience does with that freedom?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='col col-md-5 col-md-offset-7 col-xs-11 col-xs-offset-1'>\n\n<div  class='ho-tag is-primary is-small margin-bottom-3'>\t<p class='ho-tag-label'>Deborah Hay<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\t<p class='ho-sd-body'>I think you need to rephrase that kind of question. It is a whole lot more than the idea that I dance, and the audience then takes over. I first performed the piece in Austin. The idea was: I perform for ten days in a row. I can\u2019t find a theater for it. I can\u2019t afford to perform for ten days. I have a friend who has a beautiful studio, and 25 people dropped by, and it was a piece lasting about 20 minutes.<br>But I didn\u2019t want the people to simply come and watch me. I saw a library before my mind\u2019s eye, where silence ruled, and people sit at their desks and go about their research. That complete picture. And I thought: Okay, this event will last exactly one hour. I will perform for 20 minutes, and a bell will sound at the end of the 20 minutes, and directly afterward the people who have come to the event have the remaining time until the hour is up in which to write, sleep, dance, paint; it is their own research on what the presence of a live performance did to them, how they were influenced by the presence of a live performance.<br>And silence prevails; no one speaks, nothing like that. It might have nothing to do with my person, or it might inspire a poem or whatever. Who knows.<br>And then, at the end of the hour, everything is suddenly over. So it really is about waking up and noticing what happens to us in the presence of a live performance \u2013 something that most of us do not have the time to pay any attention to. If I go to a performance, I clap and then go out to eat with friends. I do not have the time to perceive how this has an effect on me, what the effect is.<br>Meaning everybody can really do whatever they want, but it has to be done in silence. Don\u2019t impose your own research on someone else. It is so beautiful in this space. In this studio. If everyone completely quietly \u2026 for me, that is a magic moment. A collective, shared moment.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern ' data-pattern='ho\/text-magazin-interview'>\n\n<div  class='container-fluid margin-bottom-7'>\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-12 col-md-6 col-md-offset-6 padding-bottom-5'>\t<p class='ho-sd-body'><strong>And you yourself, how do you spend the rest of the time until the hour is up?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n\n<div  class='col col-md-5 col-md-offset-7 col-xs-11 col-xs-offset-1'>\n\n<div  class='ho-tag is-primary is-small margin-bottom-3'>\t<p class='ho-tag-label'>Deborah Hay<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\t<p class='ho-sd-body'>I dance, and when the 20 minutes are up, I write.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n\n<section class='wp-block-ho-pattern ' data-pattern='ho\/medien-bild-volle-breite'>\n\n<div  class='margin-bottom-7'>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-ho-div\">\n\n<div  class='row'>\n\n<div  class='col col-xs-12'>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-ho-div\"><figure itemscope itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" class=\"lazy-media-inline \" role=\"group\" aria-describedby=\"media_3gzU3J\">\n<script type=\"application\/json\">{\n\"id\" : 58925,\n\"sizes\" : {\"medium\":{\"file\":\"Deborah-Performance-_photo-credit-Anja-Hitzenberger_-New-York-City_-2024__web-300x200.jpg\",\"width\":300,\"height\":200,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":9338},\"large\":{\"file\":\"Deborah-Performance-_photo-credit-Anja-Hitzenberger_-New-York-City_-2024__web-1024x683.jpg\",\"width\":1024,\"height\":683,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":90307},\"medium_large\":{\"file\":\"Deborah-Performance-_photo-credit-Anja-Hitzenberger_-New-York-City_-2024__web-768x512.jpg\",\"width\":768,\"height\":512,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":49522},\"1536x1536\":{\"file\":\"Deborah-Performance-_photo-credit-Anja-Hitzenberger_-New-York-City_-2024__web-1536x1024.jpg\",\"width\":1536,\"height\":1024,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":225655},\"small\":{\"file\":\"Deborah-Performance-_photo-credit-Anja-Hitzenberger_-New-York-City_-2024__web-440x293.jpg\",\"width\":440,\"height\":293,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":17916},\"semi\":{\"file\":\"Deborah-Performance-_photo-credit-Anja-Hitzenberger_-New-York-City_-2024__web-580x387.jpg\",\"width\":580,\"height\":387,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":29590},\"mobile\":{\"file\":\"Deborah-Performance-_photo-credit-Anja-Hitzenberger_-New-York-City_-2024__web-720x480.jpg\",\"width\":720,\"height\":480,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":43376},\"hd\":{\"file\":\"Deborah-Performance-_photo-credit-Anja-Hitzenberger_-New-York-City_-2024__web-1280x854.jpg\",\"width\":1280,\"height\":854,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":148198},\"full\":{\"file\":\"Deborah-Performance-_photo-credit-Anja-Hitzenberger_-New-York-City_-2024__web-1920x1280.jpg\",\"width\":1920,\"height\":1280,\"mime-type\":\"image\\\/jpeg\",\"filesize\":375549},\"original\":{\"file\":\"Deborah-Performance-_photo-credit-Anja-Hitzenberger_-New-York-City_-2024__web.jpg\",\"width\":1999,\"height\":1333}},\n\"alt\" : \"An older woman dances on a wooden surface, leaning elegantly to the side and gesturing with her arms.\",\n\"path\" : \"https:\\\/\\\/schirn.b-cdn.net\\\/wp-content\\\/uploads\\\/2026\\\/09\\\/\",\n\"video\" : null,\n\"autoplay\" : null,\n\"youtube\" : null,\n\"youtubelabel\" : \"play\",\n\"brightness\" : 100,\n\"crop\" : null,\n\"background\" : false,\n\"scale\" : 1,\n\"zoom\" : false,\n\"annotations\" : null}<\/script>\n<div class=\"height-container \" style=\"padding-bottom:66.683341670835%; 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